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 Post subject: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 20:09:59 
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I have just finnish building my new RX8 2014. But when mounting the engine with clutch and move it as much rear as possible the pinion does not reach enough to the gears on gearbox ?? But when taking away the 2 front screws which is mounted from under the chassi then i can move the engine/clutch towards the gears on gearbox with satisfaction !!
Anyone else had that problem ? or is it just my chassiplate ??
It seems that the pair of front holes engine mounting is not enough milled.....
I have tried with XRD, PICCO and ORCAN ( novarossi ) engine and its all tha same....


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 19:26:27 
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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2014 18:00:28 
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I have the same problem and I run with Picco. Roelof, I read the link posted and is not enough enlarge the 4 holes of the engine.

After a suggestion, I resolved temporarily as follow:
1) I mill the 4 holes of the chassis (approx. 1,5-2mm)
After this, try to fix the engine but I'm quite sure the engine touch the piece 343020.

So:
2) Mill (2mm) the lower little wing of the engine (Where the screw fix the engine)
3) Mill a little bit the 343020. (Where the engine touch the 343020)

Fix the engine and see if the 2 pinions reach the gears. On my RX8 the "joint" Pinions/Gears is good but not perfect.
That's mean, you can run but the lifetime of the 2 Gears is unknown.

I hope Xray will resolve this problem soon!!


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 16:05:29 
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Pasquorc wrote:
I have the same problem and I run with Picco. Roelof, I read the link posted and is not enough enlarge the 4 holes of the engine.

After a suggestion, I resolved temporarily as follow:
1) I mill the 4 holes of the chassis (approx. 1,5-2mm)
After this, try to fix the engine but I'm quite sure the engine touch the piece 343020.

So:
2) Mill (2mm) the lower little wing of the engine (Where the screw fix the engine)
3) Mill a little bit the 343020. (Where the engine touch the 343020)

Fix the engine and see if the 2 pinions reach the gears. On my RX8 the "joint" Pinions/Gears is good but not perfect.
That's mean, you can run but the lifetime of the 2 Gears is unknown.

I hope Xray will resolve this problem soon!!


I hope Xray will resolve this problem soon as well and also for their own Customers provide the upgrade, if any, for free. It's very strange Xray made this mistake. Let's wait and see. Any feed back are much appreciated.

I will get my new XRAY RX8 2014 in the next days anyway. Finger crossed.

With the occasion to know if XRAY Team or someone should give some advice during the build phases.

Thank you


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 17:48:50 
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The new RX8 is a very good car!! 8)

Build the car is funny and easy. The quality of the Xray is not in discussion. All the pieces Xray is 100% high-quality Level!! :wink:

In my opinion should to improve in a couple of things (that's just my opinion). Anyway don't worry, is a very good car the new RX8!!


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 20:57:26 
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Pasquorc wrote:
The new RX8 is a very good car!! 8)

Build the car is funny and easy. The quality of the Xray is not in discussion. All the pieces Xray is 100% high-quality Level!! :wink:

In my opinion should to improve in a couple of things (that's just my opinion). Anyway don't worry, is a very good car the new RX8!!


Thanks for the reply. I am not worry about Xray quality which is high level indeed.

Honestly I am worry about the issue found where the engine is placed, drill engine holes is not an option, I never heard, or mill bulkhead. I hope an answer from Xray surely help.

thanks


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 22:03:34 
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Are the bearings clutch the same as 2013 model please?

- 940510
- 359051

thanks


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 07:52:11 
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No, bearings are new - now in the 2014 model are used 930508 - 2x and 359050 - 1x bearings


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 08:47:06 
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Thanks Brano.

Finally I have got my new RX8 2014 kit, the building phase will start soon.

:D :D


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 21:35:31 
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Its an amazing car the new rx8! The quality is on top indeed.

I need an advice. How is possible to get the rear end more free from the beginning? Do you have advice on this? How do you approch this part of the build?

I am sure Xray will give us an idea, a video also may help . :D

Thanks Xray Company.


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 16:49:29 
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I just filled the bottom holes on the chassis a bit larger.. Can run the 2014 & 2013 clutch fine once I did this..

Not a major issue but not ideal..


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 06:18:03 
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I also found this issue on my 2014 with OS engine.
I only make chassi front engine mount hole more rear.
But as "Pasquorc" says engine body touch bulkhead, So now my Engine shaft was not perfect parallel with 2 speed shaft.


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 16:12:09 
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This happened also in rx8 2011 and 2012. Engine doesnt reach the gears. I changed all my clutches with the mugen one and a lot much better. Also clutch shoe yellow costs 20 € and mugen is 7 €


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2014 15:37:03 
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"So now my Engine shaft was not perfect parallel with 2 speed shaft."

In my car too. I hope xray will give us a solution very soon!!


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:16:18 
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On the weekend I came up with gears problem. While run in my new engine (and the XRAY2014) after a while 1st and 2nd gear became completly destroyed.

So what I am plan to do is :

1. Mill the chassing engine holes a bit
2. Mill the rear lower bulkhead until the engine and gears match each other properly.

Not sure if someone of you have already done this, but I will give a try.

> Any suggestions are appreciated.

thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 14:25:27 
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lynx75 wrote:
On the weekend I came up with gears problem. While run in my new engine (and the XRAY2014) after a while 1st and 2nd gear became completly destroyed.

So what I am plan to do is :

1. Mill the chassing engine holes a bit
2. Mill the rear lower bulkhead until the engine and gears match each other properly.

Not sure if someone of you have already done this, but I will give a try.

> Any suggestions are appreciated.

thanks.

I'm sorry for you to hear about your problems with this 'racecar'.

Now to Xray: You set up the RX8 at 719€ O.R.P.! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

- You need to sand down the suspension arm spacers to 1.8mm to get the rear free from binding (even with the body holder brace disassembled).
- The rear bodyholder system itself causes the more binding the more toe you run in the rear.
- The adjustable roll center bearing bushings on the axles just build up so much play ... this idea is just annoying!
- The front upper arm holders are NOT available as harder parts except for the alu versions.
- The alu parts from A******X are priced the half and last in case of pinions even L-O-N-G-E-R (2012 car)!!! Do you read this, Xray?! Hopefully!

For more information about the RX8 and NT1 please feel free to have a look at the 2014 Euro A's semi finals and finals. :idea: :!: :arrow:


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 15:24:26 
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Green Wing wrote:
lynx75 wrote:
On the weekend I came up with gears problem. While run in my new engine (and the XRAY2014) after a while 1st and 2nd gear became completly destroyed.

So what I am plan to do is :

1. Mill the chassing engine holes a bit
2. Mill the rear lower bulkhead until the engine and gears match each other properly.

Not sure if someone of you have already done this, but I will give a try.

> Any suggestions are appreciated.

thanks.

I'm sorry for you to hear about your problems with this 'racecar'.

Now to Xray: You set up the RX8 at 719€ O.R.P.! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

- You need to sand down the suspension arm spacers to 1.8mm to get the rear free from binding (even with the body holder brace disassembled).
- The rear bodyholder system itself causes the more binding the more toe you run in the rear.
- The adjustable roll center bearing bushings on the axles just build up so much play ... this idea is just annoying!
- The front upper arm holders are NOT available as harder parts except for the alu versions.
- The alu parts from A******X are priced the half and last in case of pinions even L-O-N-G-E-R (2012 car)!!! Do you read this, Xray?! Hopefully!

For more information about the RX8 and NT1 please feel free to have a look at the 2014 Euro A's semi finals and finals. :idea: :!: :arrow:


Hi,

Thanks for the advice but this not helps the gears-pinions issue :D


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 17:38:44 
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Hello lynx75,

yes, you're right. To response to your question, maybe you can mount the engine in a slight angled position to get the clutchbell to the spur gears closely enough (not too good). Also Ermen ran the older 1:8th 2-speed system on his car (at least at Hockenheim on RedRC's 'chassis focus'). I think this was not without a reason.

Are you using the NT1 2-speed system included in the kit?


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 19:14:43 
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Hi green wind,

Thanks a lot for the prompt feedback.

Yes I am running with the original speed system included in the kit, as it is.

I am going to mill the four chassis holes, and see if I need to mill the rear bulkhead too.


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 Post subject: Re: the pinion doesnt reach the gears on gearbox RX8 2014
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 06:50:44 
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At the end I've milled slightly the 4 chassis holes and milled the rear bulkhead a little but did not fix the issue.

Anyway I mounted the engine slightly angled with 2014 clutch/ speed provided in the kit.

That's all.

Thanks for help.


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