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 Post subject: Get traction
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:58:14 
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Hello again.

When the track is low grip. How can you get more traction? Using the Traction Control on your radio? I use Sanwa Exzes X, that is like Sanwa M11.

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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 13:45:10 
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Don't bother with traction control or any of that rubbish, that's for nitro.

Just give yourself a soft setup and learn to be carefull with your throttle control.
If you can, lower the profile on your ESC so it isn't so aggressive.
The only radio setting I run normally is -15 to -20% on the steering expo to help smooth the steering a little.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 21:14:37 
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The profile in your ESC. you reffer to the configuration program on speed control?


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 23:54:11 
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Ruben_qlc wrote:
The profile in your ESC. you reffer to the configuration program on speed control?


Yes, if it's low grip you don't want to use a profile with a lot of puch, you want it smooth.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 21:07:23 
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Skiddins wrote:
Ruben_qlc wrote:
The profile in your ESC. you reffer to the configuration program on speed control?


Yes, if it's low grip you don't want to use a profile with a lot of puch, you want it smooth.


A lot can be achieved only from ESC setting as a smoother throttle curve will give you a lot more forward traction.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 21:22:33 
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Thank you Skiddins and Hagberg.

I use the LRP SSX Stock 2.

The speed control has the programm 2 that is the punch. But I don't see so much appreciate when I change the value...


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:02:45 
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Skiddins wrote:
Don't bother with traction control or any of that rubbish, that's for nitro.

Just give yourself a soft setup and learn to be carefull with your throttle control.
If you can, lower the profile on your ESC so it isn't so aggressive.
The only radio setting I run normally is -15 to -20% on the steering expo to help smooth the steering a little.


please guide for dealing with low traction other than the esc setting and throtlle control. I use t3 2012 and the local track seems low on traction


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:10:49 
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I was trainning yesterday and I did a combination on my sanwa radio of EXP (exponencial) throttle -30%, and ARC (adjust rate control) +30%. I race with 10.5 motor, on carpet.
Mi car had more forward traction and I get best time about 0.1sec per lap.

What I can't get is block wheel at braking. I would like to just brake without locking the wheels. I use the ALB (anti lock brake) with strocke 100%, point 90%, lag 0.0, speed -1%. Any idea about this? Change de EPA brake configuration?

Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:32:24 
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Ruben_qlc wrote:
I was trainning yesterday and I did a combination on my sanwa radio of EXP (exponencial) throttle -30%, and ARC (adjust rate control) +30%. I race with 10.5 motor, on carpet.
Mi car had more forward traction and I get best time about 0.1sec per lap.

What I can't get is block wheel at braking. I would like to just brake without locking the wheels. I use the ALB (anti lock brake) with strocke 100%, point 90%, lag 0.0, speed -1%. Any idea about this? Change de EPA brake configuration?

Thank you.

Regards.


On most ESC's you can adjust the strength of the brake when you pull back on the sticks.
It might be worth trying to use drag brake instead so you never actually pull back on the your sticks.

Then you need to try and make the cars setup, and your driving, smooth.
This will be better than 'throwing' it into the corners and jamming on the brakes.

Do you have any ivdeo of your club, or even better some video of you driving there?


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:33:15 
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b.wihardja wrote:
Skiddins wrote:
Don't bother with traction control or any of that rubbish, that's for nitro.

Just give yourself a soft setup and learn to be carefull with your throttle control.
If you can, lower the profile on your ESC so it isn't so aggressive.
The only radio setting I run normally is -15 to -20% on the steering expo to help smooth the steering a little.


please guide for dealing with low traction other than the esc setting and throtlle control. I use t3 2012 and the local track seems low on traction


What do you mean, are you asking about the car setup or your radio?


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:43:14 
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Skiddins wrote:
b.wihardja wrote:
Skiddins wrote:
Don't bother with traction control or any of that rubbish, that's for nitro.

Just give yourself a soft setup and learn to be carefull with your throttle control.
If you can, lower the profile on your ESC so it isn't so aggressive.
The only radio setting I run normally is -15 to -20% on the steering expo to help smooth the steering a little.


please guide for dealing with low traction other than the esc setting and throtlle control. I use t3 2012 and the local track seems low on traction


What do you mean, are you asking about the car setup or your radio?


car setup brother


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:46:13 
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Sorry Skiddins for the moment I have not on Internet.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 15:52:35 
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I just finded Skiddins.
This is the club. Carpet track. But wen change the circuit every 2 races. The next race will be sense clockwise and next the opposite. The driver is a friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8-0EIH96us

And this our asphat track (ETS):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceG5Z3MN ... =endscreen

Regards.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 21:06:33 
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b.wihardja wrote:
..car setup


Try making the setup softer, springs and shock oil etc


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 21:11:24 
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Ruben_qlc wrote:
I just finded Skiddins.
This is the club. Carpet track. But wen change the circuit every 2 races. The next race will be sense clockwise and next the opposite. The driver is a friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8-0EIH96us

And this our asphat track (ETS):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceG5Z3MN ... =endscreen

Regards.


I don't think you need much braking on the carpet track, just learn to come off the power a bit sooner and coast through the corner, or perhaps use a little drag brake.

The outdoor track will require more braking, but if you are locking the wheels you are using too much brake.
Try to discipline yourself to only using small amounts of brake, this will also keep the car more balanced.

Skiddins


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 01:26:15 
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I don't know what you say "drag brake". The vídeo is with 13.5 motor. Actually we race with 10.5 motor.
I have thinked try tu reduce EPA brake, and then the SPEED brake...
I have already tested, but perhaps not enough.

Thank you Skiddins.


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:30:03 
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Drag brake is sometimes called Autobrake, it is an amount of brake that is applied by the ESC when the stick is in neutral.

Skiddins


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:35:47 
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AAAA okok, yes auto brake ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:29:08 
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For low traction use the low rear roll center suspension arm holders, little more rear toe in, 3-3.5 degrees, lean rear shocks in to second bottom hole, stand up front shocks, kit shock oil is fine (350cst), try harder front, softer rear if you are still breaking loose in the rear.
Raise front roll center a little if you have too much steering. Set throttle curve a little soft. I run on low traction asphalt in this works a treat


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 Post subject: Re: Get traction
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:02:01 
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OK, thank you very much Kigna :-)


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