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 Post subject: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 01:26:39 
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Hi everyone,

I'm having here to many problems with rear belt on T3 2012 with Gear diff.
Is this only my problem or anyone else is having the same problem?
Please, any tips?


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 02:19:05 
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Salinet wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'm having here to many problems with rear belt on T3 2012 with Gear diff.
Is this only my problem or anyone else is having the same problem?
Please, any tips?


I damaged a few as well.

Run the rear belt a bit tighter than you normally would.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 03:10:10 
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When you tight it you have no problem anymore?


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 03:16:38 
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Here in our track.... I break 2 and other 5 drivers broke 3 or 4 each one!
Something is wrong.
Last year nobody had problem with their belts.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 03:33:01 
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Salinet wrote:
Here in our track.... I break 2 and other 5 drivers broke 3 or 4 each one!
Something is wrong.
Last year nobody had problem with their belts.


I think it's the extra force that the gear diff puts through the belt. A diff put less strain on the belt.

Since I tightened the belt a bit I have only broken one belt.

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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 03:41:25 
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Anyone from XRAY could help us?
I will test tomorrow one more time.
Which motor you use?


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 13:10:25 
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13.5 and 10.5


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 13:45:46 
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We are using 10.5 motor with Supercharger software.
Let's see what happens.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 19:12:27 
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I run with motor 10.5 since 2 months ago and I never broke the rear belt. But is true that the belt is too tight, I must to put in the middle hole for best tension of this.

Check that the screws of the spur are on the left (on motor side).


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:38:27 
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The geardiff has a slightly larger diameter than the balldiff. This leads to a higher belt-tenstion with the same setting as before. I also broke some belts last year, until I used less belt tension.

Of course the wear of the belts is higher than with a balldiff, because there is more load on it than before. But if your belt breaks after only 20 batteries, you have too much tension in it.

If it jumps over, making a clicking noise and the belt dies because of tooth-wear, your belt tension is too low,


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 15:55:48 
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David_Ehrbar wrote:
The geardiff has a slightly larger diameter than the balldiff.

Does this mean 38T with slightly bigger gap between the teeth (different pitch which also alters the ratio)? Or differently asked, is the T3 2012's front solid axle also bigger in its diameter than the previous versions (both show #305188 but we all know that world famous sentence "... are subjects to be changed without prior notice." :))? Or is it a wanted built-in rear overdrive simply?


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 17:15:30 
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David_Ehrbar wrote:
The geardiff has a slightly larger diameter than the balldiff. This leads to a higher belt-tenstion with the same setting as before. I also broke some belts last year, until I used less belt tension.

Of course the wear of the belts is higher than with a balldiff, because there is more load on it than before. But if your belt breaks after only 20 batteries, you have too much tension in it.

If it jumps over, making a clicking noise and the belt dies because of tooth-wear, your belt tension is too low,


Hi,

I test middle set (tension position) to 2 steps looser.
I broke the belts on all steps.
I never tensioned the belt for test. I will do that!
Yesterday I use one step loosen and broke another rear belt!
I'm having too many problems with belts this year.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 20:06:06 
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When you go full throttle out of slow corners with the geardiff, there is a huge load on the rear belt. And even more when the track is bumpy, because the wheels can slip and when they touch the ground again, there is a shock going through the drivetrain. With the balldiff there was an element which could relief this shock (balls slipping on the washers), but with the geardiff all torque has to go through the belt.

The difference in diameter is only very small, but you can measure it with a caliper gauge. I think this comes from tolerances.

If the belts break on all steps of the excentric holders, there is not much you can do except accelerate more smooth. Maybe you have a lot of wheel slip while accelerating out of corners. Then, if you accelerate more smooth, you will also get faster laptimes.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 22:39:52 
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I have run a 5.5T and 5.0T for at long time with one belt.
Something is very wrong.
Check for sharp objects on the belt drives.

I only broke one when someone reared me and the side of the diff. broke and cut the belt.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 00:54:35 
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bbn wrote:
I have run a 5.5T and 5.0T for at long time with one belt.
Something is very wrong.
Check for sharp objects on the belt drives.

I only broke one when someone reared me and the side of the diff. broke and cut the belt.


I checked everything!
No objects at all. The bel simply brake.
I think I will use ball diff because 1 belt for day is to much.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 00:59:44 
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I will test for more tension on it!
I just test middle no less tension.
Now, I will test middle for more tension.


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 04:09:02 
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Hi dude im having the same problem with braking rear belts two belts and not a full run off battery yet waiting for local hobbies store for more belts :cry: ..

im also using gear diff with 13.5 turn motor 84 spur and 32 pinion front all good ???


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 14:10:22 
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The HPI rear belt 66494 apparently also fits the T3


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 Post subject: Re: PROBLEM - LOSEN TO MANY REAR BELTS
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 15:01:41 
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On the layshaft check the play on the 20tooth pulleys where the pin goes through the layshaft. Within the pulleys the slot for the pin can have excessive play. This can give a bigger jolt as you accelerate hard. If so just rotate the pulleys so the pin goes through the unused slot in the 20tooth pulleys.

Both slots on mine are heavily worn so changing my pulleys this week. There will still be slight play but try and get it as best as you can. I may try and make it a little tighter somehow. But less play will also help under braking.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 15:06:29 
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Last year with ball diff I broke no belts at all!
So... I thinking about ball diff test.


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