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 Post subject: XRAY Wants You!
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:44:49 
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…to help develop future generations of RC cars!

XRAY is well known for its ongoing product development, and knows the importance of incorporating feedback and suggestions not only from team drivers but also from its worldwide customer base… YOU! As such, XRAY welcomes your recommendations for changes to its RC cars.

Vote on 5 things you like about the car, and 5 things you would like to change in future generations of the car. We are eager to hear from you!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 16:51:25 
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XT8

needs

Clips to hold the fuel line to the tank (that cant fall off)
Loose the E clips and the Phillips head screws
A more durable body shell - slightly thicker lexan
Longer rear shock boots
A shock seal kit

Likes

Light weight drive lines
Carbon fibre upgrades (needs a centre body mount option on the rear)
2 piece centre diff housing
16mm big bore shocks
Suspension tuning options


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Good things:

Carbon-parts
easy maintenance
Big-Bores
Radio Box with clips
Hudy Spring-Steel


Things to improve

More lightweight (Like the 808)
Body-posts (Have a look at the rear ones of the Mugen MBX-6T)
better Layout for fuel-Guns
The ICC System is needed in the Kit (for example made of plastic in the Kit, Alu as Option-Part)

Most important: A conversion-Kit for Electric components in Hudy Quality, with same position of weight like the Nitro-Version (for easy Set-up work) or better one (for better Handling)


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 Post subject: Wow wish this thread was here last year before 2009 Spec
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:43:39 
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After pleading to be heard I guess this may be my chance. Here are the improvements necessary to compete.

New body mounts.
Pre cut body that holds up. The stock one currently will not last more than one month of racing
zero off set suspension. Longer arms front and back.
Tilted engine design
new hinge pin design
new air filter design and holder
fuel lid opener
better wing design. Stock wing does not hold up
thank you
previous xray customer
Rob Knasel


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 21:02:47 
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rob

which vehicle are you talking about? 808 or XT8?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 00:32:08 
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808

Like

1.Light weight
2.Carbon fibre allthough should supply diff and steering brace as standard
3.16mm big bores
4.Easy to work on
5.Durable

Needs

1.Downstop screws that dont damage chassis. maybe a plastic cap for the chassis that can be sacrifical like the bearing liners
2.Precut out body
3.Sealed radio box
4.Fuel tank with cluck,spill tray and lid opener
5.everything lowered and milled in to a new low cg chassis

Cant Wait for the 808 10

Ben


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I would like to see 1/10 scale 2wd and 4wd off road electric buggies!!!!

On 808
Bottom of the Shock body needs a "NUT" type of design so we can actually have a wrench to hold them instead of the PLIERS........

Screws that hold the radio tray to the chassis need to be ether Longer or Bigger in Diameter........

4 Shoe clutch would be awesome......


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 Post subject: 808 needs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 03:04:21 
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808 needs improve:

1 - other pinion gear for diffs - maybe old system; this actual is not durable; overheat and cause damage in diffs case;
2 - eliminate the composite bearing hubs;
3 - 16mm big bores shoks;
4 - radio receiver box distant of engine and batteries packs; to reduce the temperature of the receiver;
5 - reduce the coust of pieces;

808 is the good car, but I think that this things will make it the best!

Lander.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 03:18:00 
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808 needs
1.O-rings that are a guarentee seal.

2.longer screws deeper hole in radio box

3.8X16 outer wheel bearings

4.larger O.D. of inner wheel bearings for bigger balls.

5.less flex at clutchbell area.

6.Notch in rear of radio box to make drive shaft removal easier.

7.More room betwen battery lid clip & eng,like at the front & rear of the box instead of touching the exaust springs.Not change to screws ,keep clips.

8.Figure out why front arms at sway bar links but,dont make them brittle.

I know 3 too many ,so put me in jail. I had a hard time coming up with these few improvements,except o-rings that was easy.


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 Post subject: Xt8 2009
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 03:48:22 
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Jan, I have run the 2009 XT8 very hard and almost daily the last 6 weeks, pushing the XT8 as hard as possible, and attending 5 racing events during this time, this is what I have found so far. I hope this information is most helpful.

Suggestions,
Maybe a little stronger suspension arms if possible.
A threaded pivot pin with a locking nut instead of, the current Rear Lower outer pivot pin .
Stronger ( thicker)Body shell.
Longer shock boots for the rear.
Higher grade bolts ( especially the small ones)

Likes,
Ease of chassis tuning
Hudy Steel parts
Tramendous ballance in the air after a jump.
The size of bearings
Ease of maintenance

Dave


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 Post subject: I was referring to the XT8
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Sorry about that I was referring to the XT8 2009 spec. I had listed alot of these items last year but everytime that I gave feedback, Rocco felt necessary to defend the shortcomings of the truck. I am glad to see Xray make this move. Xray is second to none when it comes to quality. Everyone should give their feedback now, every detail. I look forward to buying future Xray models that reflect quality and brilliant performance on the track.
Rob Knasel


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 04:18:19 
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808:

Likes:
1. Unbelievably durable suspension
2. Easy to work on
3. Excellent longevity
4. Easy to tune (XB8 05-07) had to many options
5. No unnecessary/frivolous parts/features

Changes:
1. More stable handling (Hotbodies D8 is easier to drive)
2. Diff pinion bearing reliability equal to old XB8 platform
3. Smoother/more linear brakes (stock is good, but it would be nice to have Xray set the world standard for smooth braking)
4. 8x16mm outer wheel hub bearings
5. uhhhhh....reaching here...lol....new innovations in the realm of aerodynamics to increase grip/stability. Front wings? Additions to the body, new fr shock tower shapes for less drag, etc. Something practical and something that actually offers a real advantage.
6. Almost forgot this! Sealed CV joints all around, especially at the front diff input because this joint wears out very fast!!!!

XT8: (not running truggy much this year, only a few times, so not much here)
Likes:
1. Insanely strong
2. Very easy to work on

Changes:
1. 808 PLATFORM!!!!
2. More corner speed

I'd love to see new super fast guy added to the US team so we can see more Xray's in the top ten over here in North America. Steal Cavalieri!!!


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808

Liked:
1. Quality/Durability
2. Suspension design/works!!
3. Easy to set-up/unlike other cars with too many set-up options.
4. Captured pins/caster blocks idea(composite)...work great and last
5. Easy to work on

Didn't like:
1. Fuel tank...would prefer with a clunk
2. Use longer/thicker screws for radio tray
3. Use thicker or 2 screws for attaching alloy front chassis brace on steering plate(carbon)
4. Use larger bearings on outer hub site and diff cases
5. Brake linkage is not user friendly...you should get in front of the competition on this with newer design.


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Suggestions:
I like what Addy said about the shocks having a “NUT” type design on the shock shaft so that it would make maintaining the shocks easier. Example, unscrewing the shock ball joint from the shock shaft.

-new radio box to seal out dirt
-cf mud flaps on the rear hub
-better protection for the Transponder

likes:
-808 is VERY durable
-Lightest buggy on the market
-spring steel is top notch

+1 I'd love to see new super fast guy added to the US team so we can see more Xray's in the top ten over here in North America. Steal Cavalieri!!!


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XT8 2009 Spec -

Suggestions -

1. Need to get rid of the e-clip design... It's really getting old and annoying.

2. Needs bigger downstop screws and a larger contact surface on the chassis.

3. Have the body pre marked PROPERLY from the factory for the new version...

Looking at the MBX6T, the innovations on that car are fantastic. The small things like durable included mud guards are a big plus, also the hub design with the little compartment for oil for the bearings is a great addition.

One last thing, the gearing (ratios) on that car is phenomenal, I think XRAY need to take a bit of a look into this and apply it to the XT8. The MBX6T really accellerates and puts power down much quicker than anything I've seen before.

Likes -

1. Easily the most durable truggy on the market.

2. Much easier to drive than some of the new cars and relatively easy to set up for different conditions, it works well in almost everything.

3. The newer style body post designs are excellent :)

4. It's currently sitting at the perfect weight (in my opinion) - ultra light without losing any of its other better characteristics.

5. Loving the +5mm hubs included in the kit. Big thumbs up on that one :wink:

Cheers

EDIT - More factory drivers in most countries will help greatly. The couple here in Australia are doing a relatively good job so thumbs up there, however looking at America it would be awesome to see these cars at the top more often at their meetings.


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does everyone know the first 50 people to submit there likes and dislikes
gets sent a prototype of the new cars for free so hurry up guys get posting


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 14:44:14 
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One more thing -

Where are XRAY's promotion videos? Most other companies make on-track videos of their new cars to market them effectively. I haven't seen much on the XRAY, search XT8 2009 on YouTube and find nothing - Search Losi 8ight 2.0 or MBX6T and there's a heap of videos. Hopefully you guys can take all of this constructive criticism.

Cheers


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Improve the shocks on the 808, as it is now the shock shafts travel is to long, the nut inside is pushing on the bladder.

I see some wants other size wheel bearings, I see no problem on this, bearings on piniong do need to be fixed, I hade many failures using Active diff with 41T gear.

Wing is not good, I am using JConcept wing.

I think that small improvments on 808 for next year would make the best car even better

Quote:
. More stable handling (Hotbodies D8 is easier to drive)
I think you should work on your set up, the 808 is very easy to drive, I was running LOSI last year and the 808 is much more stable.


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 Post subject: what to change
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 18:15:25 
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808
Like spring steel
intructions
handling
easy set up small things make a difference

to change
Clunk style fuel tank
bigger radio box for new lipo cells
rebulid kits for shocks,diffs in one packets
droop screws that do not mark chassis
turn buckles that are handed like losi
better quality bearings
easier access to the diff bearings so you can clean them without stripping the diff down

other things general
Bigger Shock oil Bottles in line with losi size and price
how about including a turnbuckle tool
being able to but the important upgrades in on packet like caster blocks,rollbars springs etc
Bigger pots of grease


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Current 808 seems pretty good, maybe just small refinements to reduce maintenance and increase lifespan of some parts, although it's already quite good in this aspect. I was happy to NOT see a brand new car for 09, just small but key improvements of the 08 car. I really like the quality of Xray and Hudy stuff, so keep it up.

Most of all, I'd like to see a clean layout, factory electric 808. This class is really taking off in my area because they are silent, and in an urban area this opens up a lot of possibilites for us.
As much as I like them, 1/8 scale nitro cars are so loud that the only places to run them around here a out in the sticks-too much driving to find a track. Finally, maybe a super quality 1/10 4wd, alu chassis, gear diffs, ala team durango car? that would be sweet.


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